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User Андрей Кравченко78Edit

Андрей Кравченко78 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user uploads from copyrighted websites or without EXIF data to prove ownerships. I have warned the user but an administrator should evaluate and eliminate all suspicious photos. Pierre cb (talk) 01:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. I mass deleted them all as copyvios. Half of them had watermarks of different websites. Taivo (talk) 07:03, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Taivo: Андрей Кравченко78 has reloaded one of the deleted photo after your action. He should be blocked indefinitely. Pierre cb (talk) 04:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. I blocked him for a week and will delete the copyvio. Taivo (talk) 07:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lilla-Teatern-1959.jpgEdit

Discussion of the Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lilla-Teatern-1959.jpg will require some cleanup. The case's background is that MlangFinn uploads images to Commons with a broad interpretation of PD50Finland and Freedom of Panorama with minimal source information; In most cases, the images are OK, but some photos are considered art or contain art.

However, Lilla-Teatern-1959.jpg deletion discussion comments contain off-topic remarks. I already commented on MlangFinn talk page that his idea of "...(Raid5) has assailed me previously under another username ..." is most likely incorrect. Raid5 sent me a message, and I will also reply to him to calm down. However, the deletion discussion, afaik would still require some cleanup.

In Finnish Wikipedia, I would also remove all MlangFinn's and Raid5 comments on deletion discussion with guidance that they can rewrite comments again so that they focus on a topic and do not contain personal attacks. However, I do not know the process in Commons so I will notify you here. (ping to @Raid5 and Mlang.Finn: so that they know about this discussion) -- Zache (talk) 10:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Zache: I have notified both users per instructions above, please do this yourself next time. A09 (talk) 11:09, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

thanks. --Zache (talk) 11:11, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A09, unfortunately I cannot see or read your message — the user “Raid5” has messed the code on the discussion page. If you care to look at the page, you may notice that after the heading No. 68 (F-E-Sillanpaa-1963.jpg), all entries are illegible or otherwise erroneous. I don’t understand why “Raid5” did not corrected ~~her~~ his mistake in the first place. Could anybody correct the code error because I cannot spot it? --Mlang.Finn (talk) 13:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)edit ”her → his” disruptive editing raid5 00:27, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mlang.Finn: That's because your talk page is too long. You should archive it: move some of the earlier messages into a subpage User talk:Mlang.Finn/Archive 1. Yann (talk) 13:28, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is not too long. There are only some 56000 characters on it. --Mlang.Finn (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

85 threads is too big for me. You should turn an archiving bot and it will archive older discussions itself. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 13:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mlang.Finn: Wikimedia Commons is using heavily transclusions (ie. templates, modules) for handling translations so the page rendering will timeout much easier. That is the reason why 300000 characters in wikipedia is ok, but 50000 characters in commons talk page is too much.--Zache (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suomenkielisessä Wikipediassa keskustelu Kysymys käyttöoikeudesta PD-Finland50 – Cc-by-nd-4.0: ”En tiennyt miten luokka kuvineen poistetaan, joten merkitsin luokan kuvat yksitellen poistettavaksi ja muutaman kuvan luokan ulkopuolelta. Yritin merkitä selkeästi poistomallineeseen linkin tähän keskusteluun, kertomasi linkit ja yksilöllisen linkin Finnan sivulle. Ehkä tämä keskustelu riittää aiheesta. Kiitos vastauksista. ---raid5 25. elokuuta 2022 kello 23.14 (EEST)” Lilla-Teatern-1959.jpg ei ilmeisesti ole taideteoskuva, mutta Mlang.Finnin tallentamien kuvien joukossa on ollut useita taideteoskuvia. Alunperin keskustelu alkoi minun tekemästä virheestä: Kysymys käyttöoikeudesta PD-Finland50 – Cc-by-nd-4.0. Jokainen tekee virheitä, kuitenkaan Mlang.Finn ei vastaa, ei suostu noudattamaan sääntöjä eikä korjaa toimintaansa. Miksi kuvan tiedoista pitää poistaa tarpeellista tietoa? Miksi toimiva https-osoite pitää korvata http-osoitteella? Hän käyttäytyy huonosti eikä osaa pyytää anteeksi. Minulla ei ole muita käyttäjätunnuksia kuin ne, jotka olen maininnut suomenkielisen Wikipedian käyttäjäsivuni alasivulla. raid5 13:59, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have not uploaded photographs that are artworks without a proper license. After 50 years, press photograph enter Public Domain and, after that, the license CC-BY-ND-4.0 becomes obsolete because there are no restrictions for Public Domain photographs anymore. The said license is valid only until the copyright expires.

I would also like to note that “Raid5” refuses to use English here — is it sure that ~~she~~ he has understood all relevant facts? In a general level, one might also remark that if a person cannot write grammatically correct Finnish, one may doubt if the person etc. --Mlang.Finn (talk) 14:28, 26 February 2023 (UTC) edit ”she → he” disruptive editing raid5 00:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC) edit fix Raid → Raid5 raid5 23:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The referred discussion above was about photographs by w:fi:Helge Heinonen, awarded photographer who got a state artist's pension for her career. Claiming that her photographs of famous persons in a studio or other ways prepared would be under pd50finland by default is a pretty stretched interpretation. --Zache (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Heinonen’s photographs are typical press photographs, many published in Apu, for instance. They do not differ essentially from the images in Category:Images from Suomen Kuvalehti or Category:Images from Helsingin Sanomat. Also the Finnish Heritage Agency classifies them as press photographs, not artworks. Labelling these something other than press photographs is copyright hypocrisy. Even a good press photograph is still a press photograph, and this is to be judged by watching at the individual photograph in question, not at the photographer (a fallacy). I do understand, though, that photographers’ associations have here an axe to grind and they wish to set the originality treshold unreasonably low (for monetary reasons). --Mlang.Finn (talk) 15:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kuvan Pentti-Saarikoski-1977.jpg lisenssi Finnassa on {{Cc-by-nd-4.0}} eikä ole siten sopiva Commonsiin. @Zache kirjoitti keskustelussa Kysymys käyttöoikeudesta PD-Finland50 – Cc-by-nd-4.0 ”– – – ja osa taas on tavallisia valokuvia joiden suoja-aika on 50-vuotta kuvan ottamisesta. – – – kuvaushetki on selkeästi tehty kuvaamista varten, niin kunnioitetaan sitä lisenssiä jonka Museovirasto niille on antanut.” Tässä oli ainoastaan yksi esimerkki. Joku voisi katsoa Mlang.Finnin tallentamat lisenssiltään ongelmalliset kuvat. raid5 21:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC) edit lisäys Zachen lainattuun kommenttiin. raid5 22:03, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I removed the deletion tags as it was clear case (Same photo was licenced under CC-BY in Flickr by The Finnish Heritage Agency (Museovirasto in Finnish)). Also note this was not a similar case to the previous ones as the image was newer than 50 years old. With this photo there were no dispute if it was under the copyright or not by age. In any case, in the future, please use regular deletion with discussion instead of speedy deletion in cases that are not clear. (as I also meant in discussion you referred) --Zache (talk) 06:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. That was so very kind of you! Perhaps you might also consider having the following files undeleted so that I don’t have to waste time on the process:

File:Kalle-Paatalo-1969.jpg — released under CC-BY-2.0 license here on December 9, 2020.
File:Rauli-Badding-Somerjoki-1970.jpg — released under CC-BY-2.0 license here on the same day.
File:Eila-Hiltunen-1970.jpg — released under CC-BY-2.0 license here on the same day.

These are typical press photographs. These could have been taken by numerous professional photographers, as well as the other Heinonen images “Raid” organized to be deleted.

By the way, why do you refer to Helge William Heinonen (a male) as “~~she~~” if “Raid5” is supposed to be a “he”? And why is “Raid5” never accused of warring or threatened with a blocking? It would be very nice indeed to try to maintain some consequentiality here, just for the look of it. --Mlang.Finn (talk) 14:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC) edit ”she → he” disruptive editing raid5 00:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC) edit fix Raid → Raid5 raid5 23:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pyydän, että ylläpito puuttuisi Mlang.Finnin häiriköivään muokkaustyyliin, henkilökohtaisiin hyökkäyksiin ja ilman perusteluja esitettyihin väärinkäytösepäilyihin. Hän on rikkonut myös käytäntöä Use of gender neutral language jatkamalla sukupuolinegatiivista kirjoittelua. Hänen kommenteistaan tulisi korjata sanat ”she, her → he, his”. raid5 18:34, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As the page history indicates, that user has been bombarding my talk page. I don’t know what triggered ~~her~~ him in the first place. I do hope that ~~she~~ he would stop. ~~Her~~ His deletion request merely shows that ~~she~~ he is willing to harm me by harming Commons, by hindering the public from using photographs in Public Domain. --Mlang.Finn (talk) 14:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC) edit ”she, her → he, his” disruptive editing raid5 21:14, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mlang.Finn Please stop referring the Raid5 to her. He has repeatedly said he is male, and using the wrong gender bothers him, so it seems you are doing it to annoy him. -- Zache (talk) 07:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Palautin manuaalisesti Mlang.Finnin kumoaman arkistoinnin. Perustelin kumoamisen hänen keskustelusivullaan. raid5 21:00, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please leave reverts of technical edits to somebody else, as it doesn't help that people who are participating in disputes are reverting each other edits. There are enough neutral editors, such as Wikimedia Commons admins and other regulars, who can do it if needed. --Zache (talk) 06:35, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. I closed the request as kept. All others: some users have strong opinions about how they should be called, please try to obey their wishes. The three redlinks above refer to files created and published after 1966, so they are in public domain only in Finland, but not in US and cannot be restored: every Commons file must be freely usable in US as well. Taivo (talk) 11:32, 3 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you mean that files released under CC-BY-2.0 cannot be used in Commons? --Mlang.Finn (talk) 17:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mlang.Finn: : Generally CC BY-2.0 is a good license. But they were published by Museoviraston Kuvakokoelmat. The photographer is Helge Heinonen, who died 2012 and Museoviraston Kuvakokoelmat had no right to publish them under the license. Only Heinonen's heirs have the right. The photos are protected with copyright until 2083 (70+1 years from Heinonen's death). Taivo (talk) 08:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Taivo, @Mlang.Finn, In this particular case the collection was donated to Museovirasto at 2016 [1], [2] --Zache (talk) 10:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would also like to note that Finna still has the older license (CC-BY-ND-4.0) visible for those three or four Heinonen images dicussed here. Why? The FHA simply does not have manpower enough to update all its databases. The new license (CC-BY-2.0) was published in Flickr but not updated for Finna. One could simply write to FHA and ask them to update the four licenses for Finna, too — and also inquire if at least the rest of Heinonen’s pre-1973 photographs (now de jure Public Domain) could be updated and released under CC-BY-4.0 or CC-BY-2.0 or PD at Finna as they do have educational value.

Accordingly, there is no reason not to undelete at least those three files (as the Saarikoski file was kept), and Taivo’s arguments are off the point. It is not plausible that FHA would lie about the permissions of its materials. The burden on proof is on the person making such a claim. Palun! Minu arvates Soome Muuseumiasutus sellest asjast ei valeta. --Mlang.Finn (talk) 14:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

user:Verjacky is another sock puppet of user:KikijacoEdit

I mean, if the name wasn’t obvious their “contributions” consist of the same scat porn from the same elderly pornstar. Block and nuke is in order. Dronebogus (talk) 16:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. I blocked Verjacky indefinitely as sockpuppet and vandal. Taivo (talk) 07:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Taivo: could you delete their one upload? It’s probably a copyvio as well as just being vandalism Dronebogus (talk) 16:05, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It was kept after regular deletion request. Taivo (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could someone pageblock User:Shāntián Tàiláng from my talk pageEdit

He has been harassing me and User:Deepfriedokra for months on en.wiki and now here. He's blocked with no talk page access on en.wiki, and on Commons I've turned off all notifications from him and prevented him from emailing me, but I can't prevent him from editing my talk page here, so unless I turn off all notifications from Commons - which I shouldn't have to do - I can't prevent him bugging me. He has even started thanking me for edits on my own talk page, because those are the only thanks notifications I cannot turn off. I've asked him to stop and he has not. If I knew how to ask for a global ban, I would, but I don't want have the time to learn right now. I know from his latest message on my talk page that he sounds like he is never going to post there again, but I have enough experience to know this is not the case. Floquenbeam (talk) 21:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trust me, I have no desire to do it ever again here. But I must say, I wouldn't describe someone as "harassing me for months" unless they'd been doing it continuously for those months, e.g. once a week for over 6 months. This was not the case with me. (Speaking of which, I can certainly daydream of putting a curse on another person so that any attempt to avoid an issue will only exacerbate the issue [like in the first Harry Potter book when the Dursleys try to keep the Hogwarts letters from coming], can't I?)
And by the way, please note that I've created a Request For Comment on Meta asking for help (not in lifting ANY block, but rather just dispute resolution in general; see that request for more info). Cheerio! Shāntián Tàiláng (talk) 22:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done @Shāntián Tàiláng, since you say you have no intent of touching the page in the future, I assume the requested block will in no way inconvenience you. - Jmabel ! talk 07:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hellomyfriends1222Edit

Hello All, The user Hellomyfriends1222 seems to have uploaded nearly only Copyvio contents and very few useful content. Would it be possible to help deleteing the problematic files and remind him firmly that Commons is not a social media platform? CoffeeEngineer (talk) 17:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RevengerTimeEdit

Somebody might want to make use of Special:Nuke for RevengerTime's uploads and have a word with them about copyright. Possibly a good-faith misunderstanding, but most of their uploads appear to be copyrighted screenshots from Vimeo. There's no evidence any of them have been released under a CC licence and several appear to be from professional music videos. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:53, 4 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually there is a free license at the source of File:Miley Cyrus for T-Mobile 2022.jpg. Yann (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

chameleonpost may have worked on the advert, but there is no indication that T Mobile, the probable owner, was the one to release it under the cc by-sa -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 15:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vandalism by User:JuvafasEdit

I'm not really sure what the deal with this person is, but it looks like they aren't here to build a media repository since they blanking people's talk pages and making a bunch of other random nonsense edits. Can someone please look into it and block them accordingly? Some of their edits probably need to be converted to. Like the arbitrary changes to category names. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 06:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done Blocked, all files deleted and all edits reverted. --GPSLeo (talk) 06:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Pewee ddp dominicEdit

Clearly not here to build the encyclopedia. I have already undid their vandal edits. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 12:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See for example, this, this and this. Promotion only account. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 12:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. I blocked Dominic indefinitely as vandalistic self-promoter. Taivo (talk) 07:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks @Taivo. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 07:46, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:隐世高人Edit

隐世高人 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user

Makes constant edit warring despite having been reported here and warned. Yasu (talk) 14:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have posted a new topic for this in the Administrators' noticeboard and ping you in it, but you didn't respond to this anyways until the topic was archived. Now you're saying I made constant edits in violation of the consensus? 隐世高人 (talk) 15:35, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have made a point in it, and partly I agree with it. But not all of the commons categories for Japanese name are spelled with modified Hepburn. Category:Osaka, for example, is not being spelled as Ōsaka. And because Category:Osaka already has hundreds of subcategories, it is not feasible to rename it. Generally you have to follow the right pocedure to rename a category. Please be careful not to be blocked. Some of Japanese admins are not fond of discussing, but prone to resort to authoritative actions. --トトト (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FleurDeOdile's Cross-wiki edit warringEdit

An outcome was reached for a new track map color scheme in order to provide Wikipedia:MOS:ACCESSibility for the color blind users at Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather/Color RfC after having a long discussion that took multiple months. FleurDeOdile reverted image changes three times on Wikipedia [3] [4] and [5]. After being warned that he was at 3RR by Jasper Deng [6] and given a followup reminder by MarioJump83 [7], he then proceeded to take it to commons to avoid breaking the 3 revert rule there. He continued edit warring here by nominating three maps with the new scheme for deletion with no valid rationale. Here [8] [9] [10], he simply called the images "useless duplicates". This behavior is also present in edit summaries where he reverted edits on EN-WP as "useless" during the past few months. Further attesting to the bad faith in these nominations is the fact that he openly accused a participant of canvassing in the discussion on commons and in the priorly linked discussion on WP for the colors here while there is no evidence of canvassing having taken place. Someone else even mentioned that they were notified via the notice at Cyclone Freddy's talk page. Also note there is a prior block here for edit warring and multiple prior blocks on the English Wikipedia for the aforementioned behavior. Hurricane Noah (talk) 04:03, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Given this is a cross-wiki issue, there is a sister discussion at the English Wikipedia. Hurricane Noah (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have left a comment in English Wikipedia regarding FleurDeOdile. In here, a ban from weather-related images should suffice, but cross-wiki disruption and (implied) off-wiki coordination should be considered. MarioJump83 (talk) 04:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User FalconKightEdit

FalconKight (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user Many of this user uploads have been deleted for copyvio. The ones left are generally from the Chilian military and unknown copyright status. Could an administrator verify their validity. Pierre cb (talk) 06:29, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. One week block. Taivo (talk) 07:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Taivo: What about his uploads? Will you delete or keep them? Pierre cb (talk) 13:23, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They must be decided one by one. Some of them seem good for me. Taivo (talk) 14:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Personal attacks from a person, I suspect using multiple accountsEdit

Hello, I would like to bring to you attention the last comments toward my person from Priss45, Mariu44, Purisa89, 31.4.180.220, I suspect being the same person. Acoording to them/her/him, I am transphobic, homophobic, mysogynistic and racist: For racism: [11] For homophobic, transphobic and mysogynistic: see this comment [12], [13], [14]... I refute all these accusations, as I did not write anything from this substance. Also, the account it all came from Javierrrrr66668 uploaded porn on the platform, by uploading a modified photographs of a porn actor with another face on it, suposedly hers/his File:Altadama Craqdi.jpg As stated sooner, I think they are the same person and opened a request to check it here: [15]. May I ask to block these account and IP so that I do not have to suffer peronal attacks? Thank you for having read my request. CoffeeEngineer (talk) 01:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Get lost, and continue uploading porn somewhere else. CoffeeEngineer (talk) 12:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC) This user CoffeeEngineer He dedicates himself to insulting other users as well as manipulating information and copying and pasting a discussion in which he insults me or another user and then becomes the accused — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priss45 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tireless and denigrating comments towards me and gross manipulationEdit

This personCoffeEngineerHe is tirelessly committed to saying and making allusions against many users for allegedly uploading pornography. Please, would it be possible to suspend this account since it supposedly denigrates women, he copied one of your messages, thanks.Get lost, and continue uploading porn somewhere else. CoffeeEngineer (talk) 12:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC) 31.4.180.220 02:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support blocks against Priss45, Mariu44, Purisa89, and the IP for the personal attacks. MarioJump83 (talk) 06:06, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would like to pinpoint the arrival of new accounts to vandalise the deletion request. Can we please include them to the admin request : Aeosbot, Valdimars, Cafeengineer, Domainsincere ?--CoffeeEngineer (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Javierrrrr66668, Purisa89, Priss45, Aeosbot, Valdimars, Cafeengineer, Domainsincere have been blocked by Elcobbola. Mariu44 and the IP were blocked by Yann. I think we're done here. TilmannR (talk) 19:47, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. CoffeeEngineer (talk) 22:52, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User Allen HarrietEdit

Allen Harriet (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user has uploaded only photos of an unknown person, Davies Chirwa, likely as promotional material. I warned him and scheduled for them for {{SD}}. An administrator should keep an eye on that account. Pierre cb (talk) 05:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hounding between multiple wikisEdit

Hello. A user and I recently had a dispute on Persian Wikipedia, and finally a administrator warned that user not to be disruptive. He quickly came to Commons and searched through my uploads and nominated some works for deletion. (Includes some new photos and a photo from ten years ago!)

I wonder if hounding users across multiple independent wikis can be considered disruptive? I'm not sure if my pictures are legal or not. I don't insist on keeping illegal images. But I don't want this user to hounding me on other wikis and annoy me. Ταπυροι (گپ) 08:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@محک, I understand how "notifications" can make a person frustrated sometimes. I randomly checked one DR, and it mentions that there is no FOP in Iran, and it is of course true. There is no freedom of panorama in Iran and "architectural works, designs, sketches and buildings and sculptures of all types are protected by copyright law" and they enjoy a "protection for a period of 50 years" after the death of "authors". I am not sure if this is to be called hounding but I always prefer a friendly approach. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 09:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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