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File:Logo rijksoverheid.svg

vanwege auteursrechten die niet bij de plaatser van dít logo liggen 193.173.21.236 05:57, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I uploaded this svg version of this logo as the logo is published under Creative Commons Zero. This logo is published on https://www.rijksoverheid.nl above every page and in the downloadable documents, reports and video's. According to the copyright page https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/copyright This information and its content is published under Creative Commons Zero unless 'tenzij bij een bepaald onderdeel (bijvoorbeeld een document) staat aangegeven dat op dat onderdeel een auteursrechtelijke uitzondering van toepassing is.'. Translated roughly as all is CC0 unless otherwise noted at or around that particular content. That is not the case for this logo.

The uploaded detailed svg version of this logo can be found on the internet, not on rijksoverheid.nl

One week ago an employee of the Dutch government requested me to delete this entry on Commons and I asked her to start a deleteion request to let specialists have a look at it during the discussion. Reasons mentioned were that the logo is copyrighted and this high resolution might lead to misuse of the logo (https://www.rijkshuisstijl.nl/over-de-rijkshuisstijl/auteursrecht-rijkshuisstijl).

The logo is a special situation as according to http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0024004/geldigheidsdatum_02-09-2015 the Dutch government reserved in 2008 the copyright for this logo.

The Creative Commons license at the other hand is allowing to reuse and publication of the logo. Note that CC0 is not allowing certain misuses of the logo as the moral rights are not transferred by CC0.

Note that if the logo is not licensed with CC0 this is a problem for the reuse of public sector information of the Dutch government as the logo is branded in every document, video and report. --Hannolans (talk) 08:17, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit: The svg version of this file can also be found under creative commons zero at http://www.rijksoverheid.nl, for example in page 1 of pdf https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/binaries/rijksoverheid/documenten/jaarplannen/2012/09/18/deltaprogramma-2013/deltaprogramma-2013-nl-tcm309-334233.pdf located at https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/deltaprogramma/documenten/jaarplannen/2012/09/18/deltaprogramma-2013 I added this source to the file description. --Hannolans (talk) 19:18, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the Dutch Government has made an explicit exception for the copyright on this logo, or at least the version with text: Regeling voorbehouden auteursrecht beeldmerk en huisstijl herkenbare Rijksoverheid. In accordance with article 15b of the Auteurswet, this would then seem to mean that this particular logo, and some other elements of the 'corporate style' (huisstijl) of the Dutch national government, are not free. Note that there seems to be no obligation to mention this exception every time that this logo is used, or at least not when there is a law or ordinance that governs this. Paul B (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2015 (UTC) P.S. I do note that the Rijksoverheid on its website is a bit unclear, and does suggest that all 'content' is CC0 unless an exception is indicated 'at' ('bij') a particular part of it. Paul B (talk) 22:47, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, imho the Dutch government has given their permission to use the logo under CC0. They might regret it, but that does not influence the already given rights to users. The fact that they reserved their copyright on the logo back in 2008 does not change that. It only means that they consider themselves copyrightowner and that they are in fact entitled to publish the logo under any kind of license, including the decision to use CC0. I wrote a detailed legal background article (in Dutch) about this on https://denkwerkt.nl/?p=791 --Paapst (talk) 07:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Since a few days the logo of the webpages of rijksoverheid.nl has changed to an high resolution svg: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/ --Hannolans (talk) 12:58, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

 Keep Fry1989 ^eh? 22:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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